Munya Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Still using 4.36% cutoffs till the end of the season hopefully we should return to the norm next season. To UU from OU: Ludicolo Salamence Staraptor To UU from NU: Golbat Gligar Sableye To NU from UU: Wobbuffet Quagsire I could also upon request post the BL/BL2 mons below cutoffs if its perhaps time to re-evaluate anything, if not I'll just discard them. Link to comment
suigin Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 I ask the Pokemmo community, on my knees, head planted firmly on the floor. Please PLEASE stop using Jolteon and Milotic in OU. These Pokemon do absolutely nothing. JulioMatamoros, AsuraVGC, DiosSlurpuff and 6 others 5 2 1 1 Link to comment
Munya Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 Theres definitely somebody on this very forum that does it just because you say that lol Link to comment
Shadow Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Munya said: Theres definitely somebody on this very forum that does it just because you say that lol Link to comment
Munya Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 My statement is still true, also keep in mind only ~1000 of those would be needed to drop it below the cutoff. Shadow and DoubleJ 1 1 Link to comment
suigin Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, Munya said: Theres definitely somebody on this very forum that does it just because you say that lol Senile openly laughing at the notion of Jolteon being OU back in 2017 created some sort of karmic retribution that has kept this shitmon in the tier since. Link to comment
Imperial Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Would Staraptor be UUBL if it drops down next month? Also I feel it's manageable, but I'm wondering whether we suspect test Salamence rather than outright drop it (assuming it's still below the cut off point). Link to comment
Zymogen Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Lol NU will be a shitshow without Gligar or Golbat, I’m all for it razimove, Imperial, DoubleJ and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment
Imperial Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Just now, Zymogen said: Lol NU will be a shitshow without Gligar or Golbat, I’m all for it Waiting for that guy who continuously complains about Blaziken to post in 3, 2, 1... Link to comment
gbwead Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) Would it be possible to get data based on ELO? For instance, what's Jolteon's usage/win rate from: 400 to 499 ELO? 500 to 599 ELO? 600 to 699 ELO? 700 to 799 ELO? 800 to 899 ELO? etc. Don't get me wrong. The data we have access to right now is a great step forward compared to what we had access to back in 2015. However, nothing has been done since? Why stop there? I understand it takes probably a lot of work and I really appreciate what has been done so far. I'm just wondering if there is a next step. Can we expect more? People have asked for weighed usage based on ELO for a while now and that was never realistic in the past, but why not now? Is it still impossible to implement or do devs/staff do not see this as a priority? I understand if it's not a priority, but some clarity on the matter would be appreciated. Edited November 25, 2022 by gbwead Link to comment
Munya Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 At least one TC member has asked to BL raptor, told them to make a thread for a quickban if thats something we need to do. I do not have the capabilities to do it, and i doubt its in the current framework for usage, but I'm sure its within the possibility to be added eventually. Link to comment
Imperial Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Munya said: At least one TC member has asked to BL raptor, told them to make a thread for a quickban if thats something we need to do. I do not have the capabilities to do it, and i doubt its in the current framework for usage, but I'm sure its within the possibility to be added eventually. What about Salamence? I'm against instant banning immediately, but I would be strongly for a suspect test. My justification is alongside possibly replacing Crobat as an excellent support mon with a great ability, unlike bat it has a better offensive pressure with either DD or specs/mixed set (not saying these are going to be threatening in the tier, hence the suspect test). Edited November 25, 2022 by Imperial DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
gbwead Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 What's the justification for Dugtrio being banned from UU? Empoleon is gone. Porygon-Z is gone. Why is Dugtrio still banned? Thenavarro and DiosSlurpuff 2 Link to comment
Munya Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 Nobody has said anything yet but its still early in the day. 3 minutes ago, gbwead said: What's the justification for Dugtrio being banned from UU? Empoleon is gone. Porygon-Z is gone. Why is Dugtrio still banned? It is one of the ones below the cutoff, if that ban needs to be re-evaluated then we can, but nobody has mentioned it. All of the following BL mons are below cutoffs just to get it out there Spoiler BL1 Dugtrio Haxorus P2 Pz BL2 Rhyperior gbwead 1 Link to comment
gbwead Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Munya said: It is one of the ones below the cutoff, if that bans needs to be re-evaluated then we can, but nobody has mentioned it. Well, I'm mentionning it now XD Also, are we going back to regular usage cycles in 2023 (1.7% & 6.7 cutoff points for the first two months)? Please consider a new system that will desynchronize: OU/UU usage movements & UU/NU usage movements Move up & Move down cutoff points DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
Huargensy Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 DoubleJ and LaMikotoMisaka 1 1 Link to comment
PoseidonWrath Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) I personally think salamence can be a good suspect test in UU especially filling crobats role as a good defensive defoger. (like incog mentioned) And since crawdaunt is dominating UU, Salamence can check it properly: -1 252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Crawdaunt Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Salamence: 78-94 (38.6 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO 17 minutes ago, gbwead said: What's the justification for Dugtrio being banned from UU? Empoleon is gone. Porygon-Z is gone. Why is Dugtrio still banned? About dugtrio i agree we have to re-evaluate about it so we keep u guys updated about that matter Edited November 25, 2022 by PoseidonWrath AwaXGoku and gbwead 2 Link to comment
Imperial Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 28 minutes ago, PoseidonWrath said: I personally think salamence can be a good suspect test in UU especially filling crobats role as a good defensive defoger. (like incog mentioned) And since crawdaunt is dominating UU, Salamence can check it properly: -1 252+ Atk Choice Band Adaptability Crawdaunt Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Salamence: 78-94 (38.6 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO The main drawback to Salamence is its lack of speed (if it runs full bulk) making it harder to stop certain set up mons. Link to comment
caioxlive13 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Well, we can see the impact of low ladder. Jolteon is 4.83 usage, but if usage from low ladder gets discarded, most likely he drop. I can suggest reformulate the usage system? Like: 450 or lower Elo matches will not have their usage counted at all. 450 - 550 Elo matches will have their usage counted normally. 550 - 650 Elo matches will have their usage counted with height 2. 650+ Elo matches will have their usage counted with height 3. Maybe not look bigger, but it is. I'm assuming that this happen if the usage follow the system: Jolteon, Espeon and Milotic quickly drop to UU. Serperior and Dragonite gets a better position on Usage Table The usage will reflect more closely the Viability Rankings, since better mons will keep on high usage due to top ranks use it more. Link to comment
CaptnBaklava Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 That Golbat/Gligar limbo is so bad for NU. DoubleJ and BaliAds 2 Link to comment
razimove Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) After this month, im 99% sure again that TC really needs a complete revamp. And others arguing that dugtrio is healthy in UU or any meta game to be fair, im losing the last drops of faith I had in this community. Edit: Also, I like how people put crobat that has a pretty good supportive movepool to be compared to mence, that offers defog and the generic movepool. I can understand what they mean through filling the defogger role, but does it fill crobat niche? Should it be treated as a defensive option rather than a oppressive offensive option? Edited November 25, 2022 by razimove Edited to not post again. DoubleJ 1 Link to comment
SweeTforU Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Nah gligar has to go from nu that's good. Love the ou changes too Link to comment
gbwead Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 42 minutes ago, razimove said: And others arguing that dugtrio is healthy in UU Maybe I missed it, but I don't think anyone argued that. Link to comment
NiceRNGbro Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Salamence UU? XD this is gonna be kinda crazy Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 I'm having very tough time understanding that with the precedent of Haxorus being doomed to BL after a disastrous attempt of testing it in UU that how on earth would you drop Salamence to UU even for a day. HumongousNoodle, DoubleJ, JorgeFirebolt and 5 others 8 Link to comment
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