Kupokun Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Also for fun, can someone tell me what the calcs would be with wobbu vs roserade in the likely matchup? Coge 1 Link to comment
hannahtaylor Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tawla said: @Munya we're asking for ban roserade since it dropped NU, dont wait for some UU usage to make it UU, we're playing so much the tier and its really bad in NU, we know much more then you do and it should really get back UU. I've really considered selling all my NUs because of how much of a mess it is. I've played maybe 5 NU battles in 5 months, maybe longer. Link to comment
Tawla Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 All NU players asking to ban roserade, do us a favor and ban it please, use your brain and think about how many players are stopping NU cause of roserade, everyone is asking to ban it, so where's the problem with you to do that ? I cant see any reason to let it in the tier. Haazuu, hannahtaylor and JorgeFirebolt 3 Link to comment
Kupokun Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 252 SpA Life Orb Roserade Leaf Storm vs. 28 HP / 252+ SpD Wobbuffet: 289-341 (54.7 - 64.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ SpA Roserade Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Roserade: 70-84 (51.8 - 62.2%) -- 97.3% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery 252+ SpA Roserade Extrasensory vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Roserade: 94-112 (69.6 - 82.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery 252 SpA Choice Specs Charizard Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Roserade: 206-246 (151.4 - 180.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Choice Specs Charizard Air Slash vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Roserade: 164-194 (120.5 - 142.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Choice Specs Charizard Air Slash vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Roserade: 164-194 (121.4 - 143.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Life Orb Rapidash Flare Blitz vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Roserade: 359-424 (263.9 - 311.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Expert Belt Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Roserade: 115-137 (84.5 - 100.7%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO Khasyotic and Coge 1 1 Link to comment
Zymogen Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, Tawla said: All NU players asking to ban roserade, do us a favor and ban it please, use your brain and think about how many players are stopping NU cause of roserade, everyone is asking to ban it, so where's the problem with you to do that ? I cant see any reason to let it in the tier. I agree. Roserade was a problem when it first dropped, it has proven to be a problem after the implementation of Sinnoh, Drapion, Skuntank and every NU meta shift that has occurred since then; and clearly it will continue to do so going forward. The counterarguments for keeping it in the tier so far have been superficial at best and the lack of a formal response, despite all of the discussions surrounding this topic, has been nothing short of disappointing. That being said, props to Gb for being the only TC member willing to actively participate in most of the tiering discussions proposed on these threads. LifeStyleNORE, gbwead, RysPicz and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Kupokun Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I mean, you all focusing on roserade without even trying to sum up anything as a counter/check. Just "oh no ban roserade" Then when given answers, its that for a response. :thoink: Khasyotic and Coge 2 Link to comment
razimove Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Just now, Kupokun said: I mean, you all focusing on roserade without even trying to sum up anything as a counter/check. Just "oh no ban roserade" Then when given answers, its that for a response. :thoink: outside of bronzor, can you please provide me a list of checks and counters? Link to comment
Kupokun Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 26 minutes ago, Kupokun said: 252 SpA Life Orb Roserade Leaf Storm vs. 28 HP / 252+ SpD Wobbuffet: 289-341 (54.7 - 64.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery 252+ SpA Roserade Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Roserade: 70-84 (51.8 - 62.2%) -- 97.3% chance to 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery 252+ SpA Roserade Extrasensory vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Roserade: 94-112 (69.6 - 82.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery 252 SpA Choice Specs Charizard Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Roserade: 206-246 (151.4 - 180.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Choice Specs Charizard Air Slash vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Roserade: 164-194 (120.5 - 142.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 SpA Choice Specs Charizard Air Slash vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Roserade: 164-194 (121.4 - 143.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252 Atk Life Orb Rapidash Flare Blitz vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Roserade: 359-424 (263.9 - 311.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Expert Belt Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Roserade: 115-137 (84.5 - 100.7%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO This? Coge 1 Link to comment
Parke Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 me reading these comments Khasyotic, Kupokun and JorgeFirebolt 3 Link to comment
Tawla Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kupokun said: This? You're talking about RK which is not counted as roserade counter Zymogen 1 Link to comment
Khasyotic Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tawla said: You're talking about RK which is not counted as roserade counter I'm sorry, what? Link to comment
Kupokun Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tawla said: You're talking about RK which is not counted as roserade counter Did you just RK term me? Its a kill, i dont know what else you would expect there. And with the upcoming new mons into Nu, no one has given a thought to the question i asked for calcs. Khasyotic 1 Link to comment
OrangeManiac Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, Kupokun said: This? You really have to be quite condescending to assume that PokeMMO's competitive players don't know that Fire-attacks are strong against Grass-type Pokemon. You clearly have no idea what is even the definition of a counter (give this a read please), you even seem to argue that a Roserade is a counter to Roserade.... and that results in Roserade not being banworthy? I really think PokeMMO Forums should apply more Smogon-like approach to these discussions, and remove completely useless comments. This is just waste of everyone's time when people have to respond to a person who is teaching us the type chart. LifeStyleNORE, LeJovi, Makarovs and 8 others 11 Link to comment
Kupokun Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, OrangeManiac said: You really have to be quite condescending to assume that PokeMMO's competitive players don't know that Fire-attacks are strong against Grass-type Pokemon. You clearly have no idea what is even the definition of a counter (give this a read please), you even seem to argue that a Roserade is a counter to Roserade.... and that results in Roserade not being banworthy? I really think PokeMMO Forums should apply more Smogon-like approach to these discussions, and remove completely useless comments. This is just waste of everyone's time when people have to respond to a person who is teaching us the type chart. Well orange, i dont see anyone else trying. Why dont you try, hmm? please dont treat me as such, im well aware of the type chart. Roserade isn't banworthy, and if it was it only seems to be the one move judging from previous calcs thats causing the issue at hand, because no one can use a team thats not cookie cutter. Ban Leaf storm on roserade in PvP and problem solved, can you think of any other moves that would cause a issue of this degree? Edited September 28, 2020 by Kupokun Coge 1 Link to comment
gbwead Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) I consider Drapion, Skuntank and Drifblim as fairly decent checks against Roserade. Drapion, specifically, not taking poison dmg from Sludge Bomb procs, not being vulnerable to rocks and outspeeding Roserade is perfectly equipped to switch into Roserade and threaten it right away. As for counters, Bronzor is obviously the best answer to Roserade. Considering Bronzor started to be played in NU before Roserade arrived in the tier, I don't believe for a second people feel forced to play Bronzor, because they clearly already wanted to play it. Don't get me wrong, I know the metagame has evolved a lot since that time and I know Bronzor may not be as viable as it once was. I also consider Golbat, Mantine et Vullaby as good answers against Roserade. Golbat being immune to poison from Sludge Bomb and flinches from extrasensory is simply ideal for the job. Vullaby is quite decent too since Roserade has no move to dmg it significantly and can't use Sleep Powder/Stun Spore against it. Mantine has very good bulk and can handle most of Roserade attacks. These 3 flying types are not perfect since they are weak to rocks after all and don't have leftovers recovery in the case of vullaby and golbat. I think it's imperative for that reason that if you wish to counter Roserade, you need good hazard control on your team. For all these reasons, I can't consider Roserade as an Offensive Uber. I think it's possible to argue that Roserade is unhealthy for NU, but it would take way more than a few calcs to demonstrate that. Namely, I think people need to show that Roserade answers are unviable and that Roserade has an easy time getting in play because these answers are unviable. Edited September 28, 2020 by gbwead Jaawax, EricRasp, Zymogen and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment
Khasyotic Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Kupokun said: Well orange, i dont see anyone else trying. Why dont you try, hmm? please dont treat me as such, im well aware of the type chart. Roserade isn't banworthy, and if it was it only seems to be the one move judging from previous calcs thats causing the issue at hand, because no one can use a team thats not cookie cutter. Ban Leaf blade on roserade in PvP and problem solved, can you think of any other moves that would cause a issue of this degree? I'd also like to point out that I'm the one who came up with those Roserade calcs, as my build & set are different, dependent on the team I have and what I can counter & face. Mine was meant to be a Tentacruel killer before they came out with separate matchmaking tiers and it was just a thought in providing thoughts/ideas outside of the box. Kupokun 1 Link to comment
xStarr Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) Metang, Bronzor, Mantine, Skuntank. Careful Golbat(Seen some) Skuntank being an excellent check with access to pursuit/sucker. I don't view drapion as a check to it and does a bad job as it. Drapion spdef is bad and won't survive leaf storm twice. Roserade is unhealthy in NU and does force people to run the same thing as Tawla said, Bronzor (if they wanted to), I don't see it as ban worthy like Rhyperior. Edited September 28, 2020 by xStarr Laz, gbwead, Kupokun and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Munya Posted September 28, 2020 Author Share Posted September 28, 2020 Because you all asked so nicely and didn't throw out insults or anything, not this forum no. NU all usage, winning teams only Spoiler All Teams Total Pokemon Total Teams 88548 14758 Pokemon Raw Usage Percentage Roserade (407) 5563 37.69% Rhyperior (464) 3744 25.37% Rotom (479) 3573 24.21% Mantine (226) 2803 18.99% Feraligatr (160) 2706 18.34% Steelix (208) 2663 18.04% Houndoom (229) 2582 17.50% Spiritomb (442) 2535 17.18% Drapion (452) 1933 13.10% Eelektross (604) 1768 11.98% Zoroark (571) 1721 11.66% Golbat (42) 1666 11.29% Gigalith (526) 1625 11.01% Kangaskhan (115) 1616 10.95% Mismagius (429) 1515 10.27% Escavalier (589) 1372 9.30% Nidoqueen (31) 1292 8.75% Gallade (475) 1274 8.63% Clefable (36) 1222 8.28% Magmortar (467) 1204 8.16% Hitmonchan (107) 1200 8.13% Manectric (310) 1147 7.77% Scyther (123) 1100 7.45% Swellow (277) 1092 7.40% Espeon (196) 1019 6.90% Hitmontop (237) 1009 6.84% Froslass (478) 984 6.67% Honchkrow (430) 979 6.63% Aerodactyl (142) 934 6.33% Bronzor (436) 925 6.27% Toxicroak (454) 924 6.26% Golem (76) 920 6.23% Charizard (6) 911 6.17% Venusaur (3) 836 5.66% Vanilluxe (584) 835 5.66% Machamp (68) 829 5.62% Braviary (628) 812 5.50% Primeape (57) 778 5.27% Claydol (344) 771 5.22% Musharna (518) 745 5.05% Omastar (139) 742 5.03% Sceptile (254) 699 4.74% Galvantula (596) 698 4.73% Stoutland (508) 673 4.56% Seismitoad (537) 662 4.49% Absol (359) 633 4.29% Gardevoir (282) 602 4.08% Miltank (241) 573 3.88% Sharpedo (319) 560 3.79% Archeops (567) 553 3.75% Rhydon (112) 534 3.62% Blaziken (257) 533 3.61% Ludicolo (272) 519 3.52% Hariyama (297) 509 3.45% Piloswine (221) 490 3.32% Dusknoir (477) 451 3.06% Slowking (199) 449 3.04% Lilligant (549) 447 3.03% Weezing (110) 442 2.99% Electivire (466) 435 2.95% Magneton (82) 392 2.66% Alomomola (594) 376 2.55% Cryogonal (615) 372 2.52% Cinccino (573) 367 2.49% Poliwrath (62) 356 2.41% Serperior (497) 350 2.37% Nidoking (34) 345 2.34% Hitmonlee (106) 342 2.32% Pikachu (25) 339 2.30% Lickilicky (463) 335 2.27% Rotom Fan (660) 319 2.16% Ferroseed (597) 313 2.12% Bibarel (400) 306 2.07% Quagsire (195) 303 2.05% Skuntank (435) 291 1.97% Leafeon (470) 286 1.94% Accelgor (617) 274 1.86% Sandslash (28) 264 1.79% Altaria (334) 263 1.78% Flareon (136) 259 1.75% Abomasnow (460) 234 1.59% Aggron (306) 223 1.51% Vullaby (629) 219 1.48% Tangrowth (465) 211 1.43% Klinklang (601) 205 1.39% Floatzel (419) 202 1.37% Emboar (500) 199 1.35% Golurk (623) 197 1.33% Ninjask (291) 188 1.27% Sableye (302) 179 1.21% Gurdurr (533) 178 1.21% Misdreavus (200) 165 1.12% Cradily (346) 156 1.06% Ursaring (217) 152 1.03% Lapras (131) 141 0.96% Tauros (128) 137 0.93% Dodrio (85) 132 0.89% Magmar (126) 123 0.83% Gorebyss (368) 121 0.82% Samurott (503) 119 0.81% Rotom Frost (659) 116 0.79% Sawk (539) 115 0.78% Munchlax (446) 115 0.78% Crustle (558) 114 0.77% Probopass (476) 110 0.75% Frillish (592) 107 0.73% Audino (531) 106 0.72% Pinsir (127) 105 0.71% Camerupt (323) 99 0.67% Butterfree (12) 99 0.67% Torterra (389) 95 0.64% Zangoose (335) 93 0.63% Crawdaunt (342) 90 0.61% Scolipede (545) 86 0.58% Duosion (578) 86 0.58% Kingler (99) 84 0.57% Stunfisk (618) 82 0.56% Muk (89) 79 0.54% Marowak (105) 77 0.52% Raichu (26) 73 0.49% Ampharos (181) 73 0.49% Amoonguss (591) 72 0.49% Jynx (124) 71 0.48% Bouffalant (626) 71 0.48% Swanna (581) 65 0.44% Jumpluff (189) 61 0.41% Ninetales (38) 59 0.40% Tangela (114) 57 0.39% Masquerain (284) 57 0.39% Throh (538) 55 0.37% Kecleon (352) 54 0.37% Walrein (365) 53 0.36% Rampardos (409) 53 0.36% Drifblim (426) 50 0.34% Blastoise (9) 50 0.34% Bastiodon (411) 50 0.34% Smeargle (235) 49 0.33% Qwilfish (211) 48 0.33% Vibrava (329) 46 0.31% Slaking (289) 46 0.31% Zebstrika (523) 45 0.30% Lumineon (457) 42 0.28% Whiscash (340) 38 0.26% Armaldo (348) 32 0.22% Togetic (176) 30 0.20% Metang (375) 30 0.20% Stantler (234) 29 0.20% Monferno (391) 29 0.20% Luxray (405) 29 0.20% Unfezant (521) 25 0.17% Roselia (315) 25 0.17% Gothitelle (576) 25 0.17% Wormadam Trash (654) 23 0.16% Sneasel (215) 23 0.16% Carracosta (565) 23 0.16% Granbull (210) 22 0.15% Swoobat (528) 21 0.14% Shiftry (275) 20 0.14% Sawsbuck (586) 20 0.14% Emolga (587) 20 0.14% Shuckle (213) 19 0.13% Politoed (186) 19 0.13% Gligar (207) 19 0.13% Rapidash (78) 18 0.12% Onix (95) 18 0.12% Marshtomp (259) 18 0.12% Shelmet (616) 17 0.12% Raticate (20) 16 0.11% Lunatone (337) 16 0.11% Lopunny (428) 16 0.11% Noctowl (164) 15 0.10% Mawile (303) 15 0.10% Maractus (556) 15 0.10% Haunter (93) 15 0.10% Simipour (516) 14 0.09% Nosepass (299) 14 0.09% Huntail (367) 13 0.09% Golduck (55) 12 0.08% Beheeyem (606) 12 0.08% Relicanth (369) 11 0.07% Purugly (432) 11 0.07% Hypno (97) 11 0.07% Glaceon (471) 11 0.07% Cacturne (332) 11 0.07% Hippopotas (449) 10 0.07% Beartic (614) 10 0.07% Ambipom (424) 10 0.07% Shedinja (292) 9 0.06% Pidgeot (18) 9 0.06% Bellossom (182) 9 0.06% Porygon (137) 8 0.05% Heatmor (631) 8 0.05% Glalie (362) 8 0.05% Chatot (441) 8 0.05% Arbok (24) 8 0.05% Basculing Blue Stripe (665) 7 0.05% Xatu (178) 7 0.05% Solrock (338) 7 0.05% Grumpig (326) 7 0.05% Fraxure (611) 7 0.05% Vigoroth (288) 6 0.04% Meganium (154) 6 0.04% Ivysaur (2) 6 0.04% Dragonair (148) 6 0.04% Vespiquen (416) 5 0.03% Simisage (512) 5 0.03% Persian (53) 5 0.03% Octillery (224) 5 0.03% Garbodor (569) 5 0.03% Exploud (295) 5 0.03% Dustox (269) 5 0.03% Chimecho (358) 5 0.03% Beedrill (15) 5 0.03% Vileplume (45) 4 0.03% Staryu (120) 4 0.03% Mr. Mime (122) 4 0.03% Gabite (444) 4 0.03% Electabuzz (125) 4 0.03% Dunsparce (206) 4 0.03% Dewgong (87) 4 0.03% Wartortle (8) 3 0.02% Seaking (119) 3 0.02% Scraggy (559) 3 0.02% Mightyena (262) 3 0.02% Magcargo (219) 3 0.02% Lickitung (108) 3 0.02% Gothorita (575) 3 0.02% Girafarig (203) 3 0.02% Farfetch'd (83) 3 0.02% Zweilous (634) 2 0.01% Wailord (321) 2 0.01% Tropius (357) 2 0.01% Trapinch (328) 2 0.01% Taillow (276) 2 0.01% Simisear (514) 2 0.01% Shelgon (372) 2 0.01% Seviper (336) 2 0.01% Prinplup (394) 2 0.01% Parasect (47) 2 0.01% Nidorina (30) 2 0.01% Liepard (510) 2 0.01% Kadabra (64) 2 0.01% Eelektrik (603) 2 0.01% Delibird (225) 2 0.01% Clefairy (35) 2 0.01% Clamperl (366) 2 0.01% Boldore (525) 2 0.01% Basculin (550) 2 0.01% Yamask (562) 1 0.01% Wynaut (360) 1 0.01% Whimsicott (547) 1 0.01% Sudowoodo (185) 1 0.01% Starly (396) 1 0.01% Pachirisu (417) 1 0.01% Meowth (52) 1 0.01% Leavanny (542) 1 0.01% Eevee (133) 1 0.01% Diglett (50) 1 0.01% Cottonee (546) 1 0.01% Banette (354) 1 0.01% NU tournaments only, all usage Spoiler All Teams Total Pokemon Total Teams 5796 966 Pokemon Raw Usage Percentage Roserade (407) 360 37.27% Rhyperior (464) 274 28.36% Rotom (479) 203 21.01% Spiritomb (442) 183 18.94% Houndoom (229) 163 16.87% Mantine (226) 162 16.77% Golbat (42) 147 15.22% Feraligatr (160) 147 15.22% Drapion (452) 133 13.77% Escavalier (589) 127 13.15% Gigalith (526) 121 12.53% Eelektross (604) 121 12.53% Hitmonchan (107) 120 12.42% Mismagius (429) 116 12.01% Steelix (208) 113 11.70% Zoroark (571) 98 10.14% Froslass (478) 93 9.63% Kangaskhan (115) 89 9.21% Nidoqueen (31) 87 9.01% Toxicroak (454) 85 8.80% Manectric (310) 80 8.28% Magmortar (467) 77 7.97% Hitmontop (237) 77 7.97% Stoutland (508) 74 7.66% Bronzor (436) 71 7.35% Aerodactyl (142) 65 6.73% Sceptile (254) 65 6.73% Swellow (277) 64 6.63% Absol (359) 64 6.63% Golem (76) 61 6.31% Machamp (68) 61 6.31% Claydol (344) 60 6.21% Scyther (123) 56 5.80% Honchkrow (430) 55 5.69% Clefable (36) 55 5.69% Charizard (6) 54 5.59% Piloswine (221) 54 5.59% Galvantula (596) 53 5.49% Primeape (57) 52 5.38% Gallade (475) 51 5.28% Omastar (139) 50 5.18% Espeon (196) 48 4.97% Seismitoad (537) 45 4.66% Braviary (628) 44 4.55% Cryogonal (615) 43 4.45% Venusaur (3) 39 4.04% Rhydon (112) 39 4.04% Vanilluxe (584) 38 3.93% Miltank (241) 38 3.93% Sharpedo (319) 38 3.93% Slowking (199) 36 3.73% Nidoking (34) 35 3.62% Poliwrath (62) 35 3.62% Bibarel (400) 35 3.62% Serperior (497) 33 3.42% Ludicolo (272) 31 3.21% Pikachu (25) 30 3.11% Lilligant (549) 29 3.00% Hariyama (297) 29 3.00% Gardevoir (282) 27 2.80% Cinccino (573) 27 2.80% Lickilicky (463) 25 2.59% Blaziken (257) 23 2.38% Dusknoir (477) 23 2.38% Archeops (567) 21 2.17% Tangrowth (465) 20 2.07% Vullaby (629) 20 2.07% Emboar (500) 19 1.97% Quagsire (195) 19 1.97% Klinklang (601) 19 1.97% Musharna (518) 19 1.97% Samurott (503) 19 1.97% Abomasnow (460) 18 1.86% Golurk (623) 17 1.76% Gorebyss (368) 17 1.76% Magneton (82) 16 1.66% Weezing (110) 16 1.66% Altaria (334) 16 1.66% Electivire (466) 15 1.55% Alomomola (594) 15 1.55% Ferroseed (597) 15 1.55% Hitmonlee (106) 14 1.45% Skuntank (435) 14 1.45% Lapras (131) 13 1.35% Rampardos (409) 13 1.35% Zangoose (335) 13 1.35% Floatzel (419) 12 1.24% Pinsir (127) 11 1.14% Rotom Frost (659) 11 1.14% Smeargle (235) 10 1.04% Sawk (539) 10 1.04% Duosion (578) 10 1.04% Sableye (302) 10 1.04% Ampharos (181) 9 0.93% Throh (538) 9 0.93% Accelgor (617) 8 0.83% Butterfree (12) 8 0.83% Camerupt (323) 8 0.83% Torterra (389) 7 0.72% Dodrio (85) 7 0.72% Frillish (592) 7 0.72% Munchlax (446) 7 0.72% Ninetales (38) 7 0.72% Sandslash (28) 7 0.72% Stunfisk (618) 7 0.72% Aggron (306) 6 0.62% Amoonguss (591) 6 0.62% Leafeon (470) 6 0.62% Walrein (365) 6 0.62% Persian (53) 6 0.62% Flareon (136) 6 0.62% Lumineon (457) 6 0.62% Sawsbuck (586) 6 0.62% Raichu (26) 5 0.52% Crustle (558) 5 0.52% Drifblim (426) 5 0.52% Cradily (346) 5 0.52% Crawdaunt (342) 5 0.52% Noctowl (164) 5 0.52% Scolipede (545) 5 0.52% Swanna (581) 5 0.52% Ninjask (291) 4 0.41% Armaldo (348) 4 0.41% Audino (531) 4 0.41% Gurdurr (533) 4 0.41% Lickitung (108) 4 0.41% Raticate (20) 4 0.41% Taillow (276) 4 0.41% Tangela (114) 4 0.41% Tauros (128) 4 0.41% Marowak (105) 3 0.31% Slaking (289) 3 0.31% Shuckle (213) 3 0.31% Luxray (405) 3 0.31% Carracosta (565) 3 0.31% Muk (89) 3 0.31% Clefairy (35) 3 0.31% Masquerain (284) 3 0.31% Qwilfish (211) 3 0.31% Starly (396) 3 0.31% Ursaring (217) 2 0.21% Rotom Fan (660) 2 0.21% Hypno (97) 2 0.21% Meowth (52) 2 0.21% Meganium (154) 2 0.21% Mr. Mime (122) 2 0.21% Rapidash (78) 2 0.21% Simipour (516) 2 0.21% Vileplume (45) 2 0.21% Dragonair (148) 2 0.21% Dustox (269) 2 0.21% Fearow (22) 2 0.21% Garbodor (569) 2 0.21% Liepard (510) 2 0.21% Metang (375) 2 0.21% Mightyena (262) 2 0.21% Parasect (47) 2 0.21% Probopass (476) 2 0.21% Seaking (119) 2 0.21% Stantler (234) 2 0.21% Vibrava (329) 2 0.21% Shedinja (292) 1 0.10% Magcargo (219) 1 0.10% Cacturne (332) 1 0.10% Beartic (614) 1 0.10% Seadra (117) 1 0.10% Shiftry (275) 1 0.10% Tropius (357) 1 0.10% Unfezant (521) 1 0.10% Bastiodon (411) 1 0.10% Bouffalant (626) 1 0.10% Carnivine (455) 1 0.10% Cottonee (546) 1 0.10% Delcatty (301) 1 0.10% Furret (162) 1 0.10% Golduck (55) 1 0.10% Kadabra (64) 1 0.10% Lopunny (428) 1 0.10% Marill (183) 1 0.10% Monferno (391) 1 0.10% Natu (177) 1 0.10% Pidgeot (18) 1 0.10% Politoed (186) 1 0.10% Pupitar (247) 1 0.10% Roselia (315) 1 0.10% Seviper (336) 1 0.10% Shelmet (616) 1 0.10% Simisage (512) 1 0.10% Sneasel (215) 1 0.10% Togetic (176) 1 0.10% Vigoroth (288) 1 0.10% Vulpix (37) 1 0.10% Wailord (321) 1 0.10% Whiscash (340) 1 0.10% Wigglytuff (40) 1 0.10% Zebstrika (523) 1 0.10% Wormadam Trash (654) 1 0.10% NU Tournaments, winning teams only Spoiler All Teams Total Pokemon Total Teams 2898 483 Pokemon Raw Usage Percentage Roserade (407) 200 41.41% Rhyperior (464) 161 33.33% Rotom (479) 116 24.02% Spiritomb (442) 102 21.12% Houndoom (229) 92 19.05% Golbat (42) 80 16.56% Mantine (226) 79 16.36% Hitmonchan (107) 76 15.73% Feraligatr (160) 73 15.11% Drapion (452) 71 14.70% Escavalier (589) 66 13.66% Eelektross (604) 61 12.63% Mismagius (429) 59 12.22% Froslass (478) 53 10.97% Gigalith (526) 50 10.35% Magmortar (467) 46 9.52% Nidoqueen (31) 45 9.32% Steelix (208) 45 9.32% Toxicroak (454) 44 9.11% Bronzor (436) 41 8.49% Zoroark (571) 41 8.49% Kangaskhan (115) 40 8.28% Clefable (36) 36 7.45% Absol (359) 35 7.25% Hitmontop (237) 35 7.25% Piloswine (221) 34 7.04% Sceptile (254) 33 6.83% Manectric (310) 32 6.63% Golem (76) 31 6.42% Machamp (68) 31 6.42% Primeape (57) 30 6.21% Aerodactyl (142) 29 6.00% Honchkrow (430) 29 6.00% Claydol (344) 28 5.80% Stoutland (508) 28 5.80% Cryogonal (615) 27 5.59% Scyther (123) 26 5.38% Braviary (628) 25 5.18% Sharpedo (319) 25 5.18% Swellow (277) 25 5.18% Omastar (139) 24 4.97% Seismitoad (537) 23 4.76% Charizard (6) 22 4.55% Galvantula (596) 22 4.55% Nidoking (34) 22 4.55% Espeon (196) 21 4.35% Rhydon (112) 21 4.35% Vanilluxe (584) 20 4.14% Miltank (241) 19 3.93% Poliwrath (62) 19 3.93% Slowking (199) 19 3.93% Gallade (475) 18 3.73% Hariyama (297) 17 3.52% Pikachu (25) 17 3.52% Bibarel (400) 16 3.31% Lickilicky (463) 16 3.31% Cinccino (573) 15 3.11% Dusknoir (477) 13 2.69% Venusaur (3) 13 2.69% Gardevoir (282) 12 2.48% Gorebyss (368) 12 2.48% Ludicolo (272) 12 2.48% Quagsire (195) 12 2.48% Serperior (497) 12 2.48% Abomasnow (460) 10 2.07% Blaziken (257) 10 2.07% Ferroseed (597) 10 2.07% Golurk (623) 10 2.07% Klinklang (601) 10 2.07% Archeops (567) 9 1.86% Musharna (518) 9 1.86% Skuntank (435) 9 1.86% Vullaby (629) 9 1.86% Emboar (500) 8 1.66% Lilligant (549) 8 1.66% Samurott (503) 8 1.66% Tangrowth (465) 8 1.66% Lapras (131) 7 1.45% Magneton (82) 7 1.45% Sableye (302) 7 1.45% Sawk (539) 7 1.45% Weezing (110) 7 1.45% Altaria (334) 6 1.24% Rampardos (409) 6 1.24% Alomomola (594) 5 1.04% Amoonguss (591) 5 1.04% Duosion (578) 5 1.04% Electivire (466) 5 1.04% Floatzel (419) 5 1.04% Smeargle (235) 5 1.04% Throh (538) 5 1.04% Zangoose (335) 5 1.04% Camerupt (323) 4 0.83% Frillish (592) 4 0.83% Munchlax (446) 4 0.83% Pinsir (127) 4 0.83% Scolipede (545) 4 0.83% Accelgor (617) 3 0.62% Ampharos (181) 3 0.62% Butterfree (12) 3 0.62% Dodrio (85) 3 0.62% Hitmonlee (106) 3 0.62% Leafeon (470) 3 0.62% Noctowl (164) 3 0.62% Sandslash (28) 3 0.62% Stunfisk (618) 3 0.62% Rotom Frost (659) 3 0.62% Carracosta (565) 2 0.41% Clefairy (35) 2 0.41% Crawdaunt (342) 2 0.41% Drifblim (426) 2 0.41% Flareon (136) 2 0.41% Lumineon (457) 2 0.41% Ninetales (38) 2 0.41% Sawsbuck (586) 2 0.41% Swanna (581) 2 0.41% Tangela (114) 2 0.41% Tauros (128) 2 0.41% Ursaring (217) 2 0.41% Walrein (365) 2 0.41% Aggron (306) 1 0.21% Armaldo (348) 1 0.21% Audino (531) 1 0.21% Cradily (346) 1 0.21% Crustle (558) 1 0.21% Dragonair (148) 1 0.21% Gurdurr (533) 1 0.21% Lickitung (108) 1 0.21% Marowak (105) 1 0.21% Ninjask (291) 1 0.21% Raichu (26) 1 0.21% Raticate (20) 1 0.21% Seaking (119) 1 0.21% Shelmet (616) 1 0.21% Simipour (516) 1 0.21% Starly (396) 1 0.21% Taillow (276) 1 0.21% Togetic (176) 1 0.21% Torterra (389) 1 0.21% Vibrava (329) 1 0.21% Catman16, pachima, FighterChamp and 6 others 9 Link to comment
Quinn010 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Kamowanthere said: THIS. i know bro boufflant is op peoole sleep on him Link to comment
Zymogen Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, gbwead said: Namely, I think people need to show that Roserade answers are unviable and that Roserade has an easy time getting in play because these answers are unviable. I think the tournament usage statistics posted by Munya are fairly representative of the viability of the checks you named - Drapion goes without saying because it's one of the best pokemon in the tier at the moment, but as Titinn mentioned it is shaky as a defensive check to Roserade as the timid life orb set has a chance to 2hko Drapion with sludge bomb without rocks, and in order to kill Roserade back Drapion has to rely on hitting a crit with night slash. Additionally, it is grounded so is weak to both spikes and stealth rocks, and it typically has no leftovers recovery. Golbat is great against choiced Roserade sets. Not so much against life orb. So far I've seen one Careful Golbat but imo running a SpDef nature removes most of Golbat's better qualities, including its speed, because it is much better suited as a physical wall than a special one. Not to mention it's also still 2hko'd by LO extrasensory with rocks on the field. Mantine is also one of the more viable pokemon at the moment so I will agree with this in its entirety, seeing as you also acknowledged that it's not perfect due to its susceptibility to hazards and sludge bomb poison. I'm in two minds about Bronzor as it is a mon that either walls your opponent's entire team, or is a sitting duck for setup; its ability to check Roserade can't be ignored, but I feel like Bronzor's viability is entirely match up dependent given that it only has Psywave and Toxic to punish switches in a meta that is saturated with poison and dark types. It also doesn't punish Roserade itself at all. Vullaby has the highest usage out of the more niche checks you mentioned, at 2.07%. Defensively it isn't terrible as it has a decent typing and respectable bulk, but its weakness to hazards, sludge bomb poison and lack of leftovers recovery really hinder it. I accept that it is less of a sitting duck than some of Roserade's other checks as it has access to strong stab in Brave Bird, and also Foul Play which can cripple a lot of physically attacking threats which would be inclined to switch in on it. I guess its real niche is on sand teams, but imo that's about it. I know you and other SIA players personally like it, but imo Drifblim really doesn't have much viability outside of sub/acro/bp/wow, which it isn't exactly a stellar moveset. There are a lot of rotoms/rhydons/spiritombs/gigaliths/golems/eels/manecs in this meta, it has no viable recovery and again is susceptible to stealth rocks, and I think that this is reflected in the statistics. Feel free to enlighten me here though, as I haven't really looked into what Drifblim can even do. Skuntank I personally like as a method of hazard control, and I previously have used it a lot as my main check to roserade and ghosts in particular. It punishes roserade well if you choose to use pursuit, and has access to nice support moves such as haze, defog, taunt, and sucker punch, but honestly it doesn't do much more than that. Not to mention it is grounded and lacks recovery outside of black sludge. In terms of overall viability, I wouldn't go as far as saying that it's not viable, but it certainly is very pressured. It is probably one of the best examples of 4 move slot syndrome and therefore, much like Bronzor, its success is very match up dependent. Additionally many mons such as Drapion, Rhydon, Toxicroak, Golem, Steelix, Gigalith and Spiritomb (and more) resist either one or both of its stab typings and can easily offensively pressure it. I'm personally not a fan of Metang. It's bulky and can pursuit trap Roserades and Ghosts, but I just don't think it really has a place in this meta. Just my 2 cents. Edited September 28, 2020 by Zymogen gbwead, xStarr, OrangeManiac and 3 others 6 Link to comment
Catman16 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Quinn010 said: i know bro boufflant is op peoole sleep on him was working on a set once in last April Edited September 28, 2020 by Catman16 didn't fly because it did 0 damage vs common Def walls for uu at least Link to comment
Quinn010 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Catman16 said: was working on a set once in last April im talking about sap sipper with chesto and rest you can take 3hits and recover once Edited September 28, 2020 by Quinn010 Catman16 1 Link to comment
LifeStyleNORE Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Munya said: Because you all asked so nicely and didn't throw out insults or anything, not this forum no. NU all usage, winning teams only Reveal hidden contents All Teams Total Pokemon Total Teams 88548 14758 Pokemon Raw Usage Percentage Roserade (407) 5563 37.69% Rhyperior (464) 3744 25.37% Rotom (479) 3573 24.21% Mantine (226) 2803 18.99% Feraligatr (160) 2706 18.34% Steelix (208) 2663 18.04% Houndoom (229) 2582 17.50% Spiritomb (442) 2535 17.18% Drapion (452) 1933 13.10% Eelektross (604) 1768 11.98% Zoroark (571) 1721 11.66% Golbat (42) 1666 11.29% Gigalith (526) 1625 11.01% Kangaskhan (115) 1616 10.95% Mismagius (429) 1515 10.27% Escavalier (589) 1372 9.30% Nidoqueen (31) 1292 8.75% Gallade (475) 1274 8.63% Clefable (36) 1222 8.28% Magmortar (467) 1204 8.16% Hitmonchan (107) 1200 8.13% Manectric (310) 1147 7.77% Scyther (123) 1100 7.45% Swellow (277) 1092 7.40% Espeon (196) 1019 6.90% Hitmontop (237) 1009 6.84% Froslass (478) 984 6.67% Honchkrow (430) 979 6.63% Aerodactyl (142) 934 6.33% Bronzor (436) 925 6.27% Toxicroak (454) 924 6.26% Golem (76) 920 6.23% Charizard (6) 911 6.17% Venusaur (3) 836 5.66% Vanilluxe (584) 835 5.66% Machamp (68) 829 5.62% Braviary (628) 812 5.50% Primeape (57) 778 5.27% Claydol (344) 771 5.22% Musharna (518) 745 5.05% Omastar (139) 742 5.03% Sceptile (254) 699 4.74% Galvantula (596) 698 4.73% Stoutland (508) 673 4.56% Seismitoad (537) 662 4.49% Absol (359) 633 4.29% Gardevoir (282) 602 4.08% Miltank (241) 573 3.88% Sharpedo (319) 560 3.79% Archeops (567) 553 3.75% Rhydon (112) 534 3.62% Blaziken (257) 533 3.61% Ludicolo (272) 519 3.52% Hariyama (297) 509 3.45% Piloswine (221) 490 3.32% Dusknoir (477) 451 3.06% Slowking (199) 449 3.04% Lilligant (549) 447 3.03% Weezing (110) 442 2.99% Electivire (466) 435 2.95% Magneton (82) 392 2.66% Alomomola (594) 376 2.55% Cryogonal (615) 372 2.52% Cinccino (573) 367 2.49% Poliwrath (62) 356 2.41% Serperior (497) 350 2.37% Nidoking (34) 345 2.34% Hitmonlee (106) 342 2.32% Pikachu (25) 339 2.30% Lickilicky (463) 335 2.27% Rotom Fan (660) 319 2.16% Ferroseed (597) 313 2.12% Bibarel (400) 306 2.07% Quagsire (195) 303 2.05% Skuntank (435) 291 1.97% Leafeon (470) 286 1.94% Accelgor (617) 274 1.86% Sandslash (28) 264 1.79% Altaria (334) 263 1.78% Flareon (136) 259 1.75% Abomasnow (460) 234 1.59% Aggron (306) 223 1.51% Vullaby (629) 219 1.48% Tangrowth (465) 211 1.43% Klinklang (601) 205 1.39% Floatzel (419) 202 1.37% Emboar (500) 199 1.35% Golurk (623) 197 1.33% Ninjask (291) 188 1.27% Sableye (302) 179 1.21% Gurdurr (533) 178 1.21% Misdreavus (200) 165 1.12% Cradily (346) 156 1.06% Ursaring (217) 152 1.03% Lapras (131) 141 0.96% Tauros (128) 137 0.93% Dodrio (85) 132 0.89% Magmar (126) 123 0.83% Gorebyss (368) 121 0.82% Samurott (503) 119 0.81% Rotom Frost (659) 116 0.79% Sawk (539) 115 0.78% Munchlax (446) 115 0.78% Crustle (558) 114 0.77% Probopass (476) 110 0.75% Frillish (592) 107 0.73% Audino (531) 106 0.72% Pinsir (127) 105 0.71% Camerupt (323) 99 0.67% Butterfree (12) 99 0.67% Torterra (389) 95 0.64% Zangoose (335) 93 0.63% Crawdaunt (342) 90 0.61% Scolipede (545) 86 0.58% Duosion (578) 86 0.58% Kingler (99) 84 0.57% Stunfisk (618) 82 0.56% Muk (89) 79 0.54% Marowak (105) 77 0.52% Raichu (26) 73 0.49% Ampharos (181) 73 0.49% Amoonguss (591) 72 0.49% Jynx (124) 71 0.48% Bouffalant (626) 71 0.48% Swanna (581) 65 0.44% Jumpluff (189) 61 0.41% Ninetales (38) 59 0.40% Tangela (114) 57 0.39% Masquerain (284) 57 0.39% Throh (538) 55 0.37% Kecleon (352) 54 0.37% Walrein (365) 53 0.36% Rampardos (409) 53 0.36% Drifblim (426) 50 0.34% Blastoise (9) 50 0.34% Bastiodon (411) 50 0.34% Smeargle (235) 49 0.33% Qwilfish (211) 48 0.33% Vibrava (329) 46 0.31% Slaking (289) 46 0.31% Zebstrika (523) 45 0.30% Lumineon (457) 42 0.28% Whiscash (340) 38 0.26% Armaldo (348) 32 0.22% Togetic (176) 30 0.20% Metang (375) 30 0.20% Stantler (234) 29 0.20% Monferno (391) 29 0.20% Luxray (405) 29 0.20% Unfezant (521) 25 0.17% Roselia (315) 25 0.17% Gothitelle (576) 25 0.17% Wormadam Trash (654) 23 0.16% Sneasel (215) 23 0.16% Carracosta (565) 23 0.16% Granbull (210) 22 0.15% Swoobat (528) 21 0.14% Shiftry (275) 20 0.14% Sawsbuck (586) 20 0.14% Emolga (587) 20 0.14% Shuckle (213) 19 0.13% Politoed (186) 19 0.13% Gligar (207) 19 0.13% Rapidash (78) 18 0.12% Onix (95) 18 0.12% Marshtomp (259) 18 0.12% Shelmet (616) 17 0.12% Raticate (20) 16 0.11% Lunatone (337) 16 0.11% Lopunny (428) 16 0.11% Noctowl (164) 15 0.10% Mawile (303) 15 0.10% Maractus (556) 15 0.10% Haunter (93) 15 0.10% Simipour (516) 14 0.09% Nosepass (299) 14 0.09% Huntail (367) 13 0.09% Golduck (55) 12 0.08% Beheeyem (606) 12 0.08% Relicanth (369) 11 0.07% Purugly (432) 11 0.07% Hypno (97) 11 0.07% Glaceon (471) 11 0.07% Cacturne (332) 11 0.07% Hippopotas (449) 10 0.07% Beartic (614) 10 0.07% Ambipom (424) 10 0.07% Shedinja (292) 9 0.06% Pidgeot (18) 9 0.06% Bellossom (182) 9 0.06% Porygon (137) 8 0.05% Heatmor (631) 8 0.05% Glalie (362) 8 0.05% Chatot (441) 8 0.05% Arbok (24) 8 0.05% Basculing Blue Stripe (665) 7 0.05% Xatu (178) 7 0.05% Solrock (338) 7 0.05% Grumpig (326) 7 0.05% Fraxure (611) 7 0.05% Vigoroth (288) 6 0.04% Meganium (154) 6 0.04% Ivysaur (2) 6 0.04% Dragonair (148) 6 0.04% Vespiquen (416) 5 0.03% Simisage (512) 5 0.03% Persian (53) 5 0.03% Octillery (224) 5 0.03% Garbodor (569) 5 0.03% Exploud (295) 5 0.03% Dustox (269) 5 0.03% Chimecho (358) 5 0.03% Beedrill (15) 5 0.03% Vileplume (45) 4 0.03% Staryu (120) 4 0.03% Mr. Mime (122) 4 0.03% Gabite (444) 4 0.03% Electabuzz (125) 4 0.03% Dunsparce (206) 4 0.03% Dewgong (87) 4 0.03% Wartortle (8) 3 0.02% Seaking (119) 3 0.02% Scraggy (559) 3 0.02% Mightyena (262) 3 0.02% Magcargo (219) 3 0.02% Lickitung (108) 3 0.02% Gothorita (575) 3 0.02% Girafarig (203) 3 0.02% Farfetch'd (83) 3 0.02% Zweilous (634) 2 0.01% Wailord (321) 2 0.01% Tropius (357) 2 0.01% Trapinch (328) 2 0.01% Taillow (276) 2 0.01% Simisear (514) 2 0.01% Shelgon (372) 2 0.01% Seviper (336) 2 0.01% Prinplup (394) 2 0.01% Parasect (47) 2 0.01% Nidorina (30) 2 0.01% Liepard (510) 2 0.01% Kadabra (64) 2 0.01% Eelektrik (603) 2 0.01% Delibird (225) 2 0.01% Clefairy (35) 2 0.01% Clamperl (366) 2 0.01% Boldore (525) 2 0.01% Basculin (550) 2 0.01% Yamask (562) 1 0.01% Wynaut (360) 1 0.01% Whimsicott (547) 1 0.01% Sudowoodo (185) 1 0.01% Starly (396) 1 0.01% Pachirisu (417) 1 0.01% Meowth (52) 1 0.01% Leavanny (542) 1 0.01% Eevee (133) 1 0.01% Diglett (50) 1 0.01% Cottonee (546) 1 0.01% Banette (354) 1 0.01% NU tournaments only, all usage Reveal hidden contents All Teams Total Pokemon Total Teams 5796 966 Pokemon Raw Usage Percentage Roserade (407) 360 37.27% Rhyperior (464) 274 28.36% Rotom (479) 203 21.01% Spiritomb (442) 183 18.94% Houndoom (229) 163 16.87% Mantine (226) 162 16.77% Golbat (42) 147 15.22% Feraligatr (160) 147 15.22% Drapion (452) 133 13.77% Escavalier (589) 127 13.15% Gigalith (526) 121 12.53% Eelektross (604) 121 12.53% Hitmonchan (107) 120 12.42% Mismagius (429) 116 12.01% Steelix (208) 113 11.70% Zoroark (571) 98 10.14% Froslass (478) 93 9.63% Kangaskhan (115) 89 9.21% Nidoqueen (31) 87 9.01% Toxicroak (454) 85 8.80% Manectric (310) 80 8.28% Magmortar (467) 77 7.97% Hitmontop (237) 77 7.97% Stoutland (508) 74 7.66% Bronzor (436) 71 7.35% Aerodactyl (142) 65 6.73% Sceptile (254) 65 6.73% Swellow (277) 64 6.63% Absol (359) 64 6.63% Golem (76) 61 6.31% Machamp (68) 61 6.31% Claydol (344) 60 6.21% Scyther (123) 56 5.80% Honchkrow (430) 55 5.69% Clefable (36) 55 5.69% Charizard (6) 54 5.59% Piloswine (221) 54 5.59% Galvantula (596) 53 5.49% Primeape (57) 52 5.38% Gallade (475) 51 5.28% Omastar (139) 50 5.18% Espeon (196) 48 4.97% Seismitoad (537) 45 4.66% Braviary (628) 44 4.55% Cryogonal (615) 43 4.45% Venusaur (3) 39 4.04% Rhydon (112) 39 4.04% Vanilluxe (584) 38 3.93% Miltank (241) 38 3.93% Sharpedo (319) 38 3.93% Slowking (199) 36 3.73% Nidoking (34) 35 3.62% Poliwrath (62) 35 3.62% Bibarel (400) 35 3.62% Serperior (497) 33 3.42% Ludicolo (272) 31 3.21% Pikachu (25) 30 3.11% Lilligant (549) 29 3.00% Hariyama (297) 29 3.00% Gardevoir (282) 27 2.80% Cinccino (573) 27 2.80% Lickilicky (463) 25 2.59% Blaziken (257) 23 2.38% Dusknoir (477) 23 2.38% Archeops (567) 21 2.17% Tangrowth (465) 20 2.07% Vullaby (629) 20 2.07% Emboar (500) 19 1.97% Quagsire (195) 19 1.97% Klinklang (601) 19 1.97% Musharna (518) 19 1.97% Samurott (503) 19 1.97% Abomasnow (460) 18 1.86% Golurk (623) 17 1.76% Gorebyss (368) 17 1.76% Magneton (82) 16 1.66% Weezing (110) 16 1.66% Altaria (334) 16 1.66% Electivire (466) 15 1.55% Alomomola (594) 15 1.55% Ferroseed (597) 15 1.55% Hitmonlee (106) 14 1.45% Skuntank (435) 14 1.45% Lapras (131) 13 1.35% Rampardos (409) 13 1.35% Zangoose (335) 13 1.35% Floatzel (419) 12 1.24% Pinsir (127) 11 1.14% Rotom Frost (659) 11 1.14% Smeargle (235) 10 1.04% Sawk (539) 10 1.04% Duosion (578) 10 1.04% Sableye (302) 10 1.04% Ampharos (181) 9 0.93% Throh (538) 9 0.93% Accelgor (617) 8 0.83% Butterfree (12) 8 0.83% Camerupt (323) 8 0.83% Torterra (389) 7 0.72% Dodrio (85) 7 0.72% Frillish (592) 7 0.72% Munchlax (446) 7 0.72% Ninetales (38) 7 0.72% Sandslash (28) 7 0.72% Stunfisk (618) 7 0.72% Aggron (306) 6 0.62% Amoonguss (591) 6 0.62% Leafeon (470) 6 0.62% Walrein (365) 6 0.62% Persian (53) 6 0.62% Flareon (136) 6 0.62% Lumineon (457) 6 0.62% Sawsbuck (586) 6 0.62% Raichu (26) 5 0.52% Crustle (558) 5 0.52% Drifblim (426) 5 0.52% Cradily (346) 5 0.52% Crawdaunt (342) 5 0.52% Noctowl (164) 5 0.52% Scolipede (545) 5 0.52% Swanna (581) 5 0.52% Ninjask (291) 4 0.41% Armaldo (348) 4 0.41% Audino (531) 4 0.41% Gurdurr (533) 4 0.41% Lickitung (108) 4 0.41% Raticate (20) 4 0.41% Taillow (276) 4 0.41% Tangela (114) 4 0.41% Tauros (128) 4 0.41% Marowak (105) 3 0.31% Slaking (289) 3 0.31% Shuckle (213) 3 0.31% Luxray (405) 3 0.31% Carracosta (565) 3 0.31% Muk (89) 3 0.31% Clefairy (35) 3 0.31% Masquerain (284) 3 0.31% Qwilfish (211) 3 0.31% Starly (396) 3 0.31% Ursaring (217) 2 0.21% Rotom Fan (660) 2 0.21% Hypno (97) 2 0.21% Meowth (52) 2 0.21% Meganium (154) 2 0.21% Mr. Mime (122) 2 0.21% Rapidash (78) 2 0.21% Simipour (516) 2 0.21% Vileplume (45) 2 0.21% Dragonair (148) 2 0.21% Dustox (269) 2 0.21% Fearow (22) 2 0.21% Garbodor (569) 2 0.21% Liepard (510) 2 0.21% Metang (375) 2 0.21% Mightyena (262) 2 0.21% Parasect (47) 2 0.21% Probopass (476) 2 0.21% Seaking (119) 2 0.21% Stantler (234) 2 0.21% Vibrava (329) 2 0.21% Shedinja (292) 1 0.10% Magcargo (219) 1 0.10% Cacturne (332) 1 0.10% Beartic (614) 1 0.10% Seadra (117) 1 0.10% Shiftry (275) 1 0.10% Tropius (357) 1 0.10% Unfezant (521) 1 0.10% Bastiodon (411) 1 0.10% Bouffalant (626) 1 0.10% Carnivine (455) 1 0.10% Cottonee (546) 1 0.10% Delcatty (301) 1 0.10% Furret (162) 1 0.10% Golduck (55) 1 0.10% Kadabra (64) 1 0.10% Lopunny (428) 1 0.10% Marill (183) 1 0.10% Monferno (391) 1 0.10% Natu (177) 1 0.10% Pidgeot (18) 1 0.10% Politoed (186) 1 0.10% Pupitar (247) 1 0.10% Roselia (315) 1 0.10% Seviper (336) 1 0.10% Shelmet (616) 1 0.10% Simisage (512) 1 0.10% Sneasel (215) 1 0.10% Togetic (176) 1 0.10% Vigoroth (288) 1 0.10% Vulpix (37) 1 0.10% Wailord (321) 1 0.10% Whiscash (340) 1 0.10% Wigglytuff (40) 1 0.10% Zebstrika (523) 1 0.10% Wormadam Trash (654) 1 0.10% NU Tournaments, winning teams only Reveal hidden contents All Teams Total Pokemon Total Teams 2898 483 Pokemon Raw Usage Percentage Roserade (407) 200 41.41% Rhyperior (464) 161 33.33% Rotom (479) 116 24.02% Spiritomb (442) 102 21.12% Houndoom (229) 92 19.05% Golbat (42) 80 16.56% Mantine (226) 79 16.36% Hitmonchan (107) 76 15.73% Feraligatr (160) 73 15.11% Drapion (452) 71 14.70% Escavalier (589) 66 13.66% Eelektross (604) 61 12.63% Mismagius (429) 59 12.22% Froslass (478) 53 10.97% Gigalith (526) 50 10.35% Magmortar (467) 46 9.52% Nidoqueen (31) 45 9.32% Steelix (208) 45 9.32% Toxicroak (454) 44 9.11% Bronzor (436) 41 8.49% Zoroark (571) 41 8.49% Kangaskhan (115) 40 8.28% Clefable (36) 36 7.45% Absol (359) 35 7.25% Hitmontop (237) 35 7.25% Piloswine (221) 34 7.04% Sceptile (254) 33 6.83% Manectric (310) 32 6.63% Golem (76) 31 6.42% Machamp (68) 31 6.42% Primeape (57) 30 6.21% Aerodactyl (142) 29 6.00% Honchkrow (430) 29 6.00% Claydol (344) 28 5.80% Stoutland (508) 28 5.80% Cryogonal (615) 27 5.59% Scyther (123) 26 5.38% Braviary (628) 25 5.18% Sharpedo (319) 25 5.18% Swellow (277) 25 5.18% Omastar (139) 24 4.97% Seismitoad (537) 23 4.76% Charizard (6) 22 4.55% Galvantula (596) 22 4.55% Nidoking (34) 22 4.55% Espeon (196) 21 4.35% Rhydon (112) 21 4.35% Vanilluxe (584) 20 4.14% Miltank (241) 19 3.93% Poliwrath (62) 19 3.93% Slowking (199) 19 3.93% Gallade (475) 18 3.73% Hariyama (297) 17 3.52% Pikachu (25) 17 3.52% Bibarel (400) 16 3.31% Lickilicky (463) 16 3.31% Cinccino (573) 15 3.11% Dusknoir (477) 13 2.69% Venusaur (3) 13 2.69% Gardevoir (282) 12 2.48% Gorebyss (368) 12 2.48% Ludicolo (272) 12 2.48% Quagsire (195) 12 2.48% Serperior (497) 12 2.48% Abomasnow (460) 10 2.07% Blaziken (257) 10 2.07% Ferroseed (597) 10 2.07% Golurk (623) 10 2.07% Klinklang (601) 10 2.07% Archeops (567) 9 1.86% Musharna (518) 9 1.86% Skuntank (435) 9 1.86% Vullaby (629) 9 1.86% Emboar (500) 8 1.66% Lilligant (549) 8 1.66% Samurott (503) 8 1.66% Tangrowth (465) 8 1.66% Lapras (131) 7 1.45% Magneton (82) 7 1.45% Sableye (302) 7 1.45% Sawk (539) 7 1.45% Weezing (110) 7 1.45% Altaria (334) 6 1.24% Rampardos (409) 6 1.24% Alomomola (594) 5 1.04% Amoonguss (591) 5 1.04% Duosion (578) 5 1.04% Electivire (466) 5 1.04% Floatzel (419) 5 1.04% Smeargle (235) 5 1.04% Throh (538) 5 1.04% Zangoose (335) 5 1.04% Camerupt (323) 4 0.83% Frillish (592) 4 0.83% Munchlax (446) 4 0.83% Pinsir (127) 4 0.83% Scolipede (545) 4 0.83% Accelgor (617) 3 0.62% Ampharos (181) 3 0.62% Butterfree (12) 3 0.62% Dodrio (85) 3 0.62% Hitmonlee (106) 3 0.62% Leafeon (470) 3 0.62% Noctowl (164) 3 0.62% Sandslash (28) 3 0.62% Stunfisk (618) 3 0.62% Rotom Frost (659) 3 0.62% Carracosta (565) 2 0.41% Clefairy (35) 2 0.41% Crawdaunt (342) 2 0.41% Drifblim (426) 2 0.41% Flareon (136) 2 0.41% Lumineon (457) 2 0.41% Ninetales (38) 2 0.41% Sawsbuck (586) 2 0.41% Swanna (581) 2 0.41% Tangela (114) 2 0.41% Tauros (128) 2 0.41% Ursaring (217) 2 0.41% Walrein (365) 2 0.41% Aggron (306) 1 0.21% Armaldo (348) 1 0.21% Audino (531) 1 0.21% Cradily (346) 1 0.21% Crustle (558) 1 0.21% Dragonair (148) 1 0.21% Gurdurr (533) 1 0.21% Lickitung (108) 1 0.21% Marowak (105) 1 0.21% Ninjask (291) 1 0.21% Raichu (26) 1 0.21% Raticate (20) 1 0.21% Seaking (119) 1 0.21% Shelmet (616) 1 0.21% Simipour (516) 1 0.21% Starly (396) 1 0.21% Taillow (276) 1 0.21% Togetic (176) 1 0.21% Torterra (389) 1 0.21% Vibrava (329) 1 0.21% Imagine if people look at these stats and still think Roserade isn't banworthy lol Link to comment
Zymogen Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Khasyotic said: ...? Look at the disparity between the numbers of games in which Roserade and Piloswine are used. Sample size is very important in statistics. Edited September 28, 2020 by Zymogen xStarr, TohnR and HermitG 3 Link to comment
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