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Interesting that Tier Council decided that Blissey didn't deserve a suspect test (I don't think it should be immediately banned). Does this mean we can consider retesting Porygon2 for a third and lucky time?

 

1. What makes Tier Council believe that Blissey will be healthy in UU, out of curiosity?

2. Is the meta balanced enough to now warrant Porygon2 being introduced back in the tier?

 

Also with Gastrodon and Jellicent gone, Entei is going to enjoy UU a lot more now with its two safest checks/counters removed.

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14 minutes ago, Imperial said:

Interesting that Tier Council decided that Blissey didn't deserve a suspect test (I don't think it should be immediately banned). Does this mean we can consider retesting Porygon2 for a third and lucky time?

 

1. What makes Tier Council believe that Blissey will be healthy in UU, out of curiosity?

2. Is the meta balanced enough to now warrant Porygon2 being introduced back in the tier?

 

Also with Gastrodon and Jellicent gone, Entei is going to enjoy UU a lot more now with its two safest checks/counters removed.

They haven't commented on it yet really afaik, they can here though.  The usage movements are done and posted separately from them.

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6 hours ago, Imperial said:

Interesting that Tier Council decided that Blissey didn't deserve a suspect test (I don't think it should be immediately banned). Does this mean we can consider retesting Porygon2 for a third and lucky time?

 

1. What makes Tier Council believe that Blissey will be healthy in UU, out of curiosity?

2. Is the meta balanced enough to now warrant Porygon2 being introduced back in the tier?

 

Also with Gastrodon and Jellicent gone, Entei is going to enjoy UU a lot more now with its two safest checks/counters removed.

Since I can't answer for TC, I'll offer my answer to number 2: Absolutely not. P2 was a nightmare when it was last tested in UU and I see no reason it wouldn't be even more of one again given we are one very threatening wallbreaker down this time around (Crawdaunt).

 

The only justification for unbanning Porygon2 would be to get rid of BL's entirely and just let everything go by usage. Staraptor, Haxorus, and I'm sure Lucario eventually would all drop among others. A stupid idea in my opinion, but the game's tier council also thought that Contrary Serperior was a UU caliber mon when it was first released, so anything is possible!

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1 hour ago, WallyStewart said:

What can use to stop entei now if jellicent and gastrodon go to Ou? U will force me to use poliwrath relaxed all time? Xd

There will still be pokes like also Vaporeon, Salamence, Quagsire, Swampert to battle against Entei. Also, defensive Arcanine and defensive Snorlax may be a good help too. Right, the options will be more limited, already that they were not legion

 

If we look among the NU pokemons without considering those we have in UT, there are also pokemons like Altaria, Qwilfish, Slowbro, Mantine, Druddigon, Milotic, Alomomola and Gigalith that can help against Entei also, potentially.

 

But indeed, they also fulfilled other roles and they will be missed a little inside the tier

 

What I mainly see in these changes is that both Ninjask and Rain are going to be painful for the NU.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Frag said:

uu looking like the old ou where Snorlax was better than bliiss, now is just the opposite, so I dont see the problem, stronger stuff will be dropping eventually with the adition of new mons, that's how it works

A valid point, but at the same time things will eventually release in OU which will balance Pokemon like Gallade, yet everyone keeps complaining about it too.

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12 minutes ago, Imperial said:

A valid point, but at the same time things will eventually release in OU which will balance Pokemon like Gallade, yet everyone keeps complaining about it too.

It's not the same, you cannot fix something in OU if the solution doesn't even exists, lower tiers just have to wait till something drop, pory is a good example, now that bliss is there, i don't see the problem introducing pory again.

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20 minutes ago, pachima said:

"UU its been stally and boring for ages, thats why I don't play it"

Proceeds to not only claim how adding 2 more stall Pokemon isn't a problem, but also how dropping P2 shouldn't be a bad idea as well.
 

 

 

I'm inclined to agree, but Blissey dropping looks to be just giving stall a glock when there is already an arsenal of AK-47s.

 

I'm curious to see how it fits in to the existing teams.

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55 minutes ago, drewq said:

I'm inclined to agree, but Blissey dropping looks to be just giving stall a glock when there is already an arsenal of AK-47s.

 

I think Blissey is more likely going to be used as a momentum gainer with Teleport, so in balanced/offense structures rather than hard stall.

It'll be a good all around mon for sure, and give an actual nerf to some OPs (Specs Mence, CM Raikou) that would just feed it momentum

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10 hours ago, PoseidonWrath said:

Blissey and Cofa dropping and jelli something who gave stall a hard time moving up, glad to see tc still smoking the good stuff and active as usual 

This is merely from usage stats, not measures by their actual viability for each tier. If they REALLY became an overcentralizing problem in UU they could just simply ban it.

 

 

3 hours ago, pachima said:

Proceeds to not only claim how adding 2 more stall Pokemon isn't a problem, but also how dropping P2 shouldn't be a bad idea as well.
 

 

 

The problem with P2 in UU is that it's just RBY Chansey levels of damage that has over-the-top bulk for the tier. Only ways of 1v1 overwhelm are Fighting-types, which most cannot even OHKO it unless they have Guts boost or P2 itself isn't max Physically invested.

252+ Atk Guts Machamp Close Combat vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 174-206 (91 - 107.8%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Guts Heracross Close Combat vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Porygon2: 152-182 (79.5 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Phys Def P2 would be a legit pick for UU, but even if it isn't, it's also the best Trick Room enabler for monsters like Guts Ursaring and Marowak, which otherwise wouldn't see play because they're unable to switch in the first place, thanks to Gen 8+ new Teleport mechanics.
Or it could just become one of the hardest Special walls to overcome in the Tier with investment and Eviolite, who knows.
Thing being, P2 is a one-mon army that also enables team with supportive options like TWave too.

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