October-2024 Movement Discussion

[Scootter]

7 minutes ago, DoubleJ said:

+2 also indicates Swords Dance which makes Kabutops suffer greatly from 4MSS to incorporate the moveset you are referring to. This would mean Kabutops would run the following: 

Swords Dance, if pulled off on any powerful physical attacker will always be a significant threat across any tier. 

Yea 4mss is real but i just like to start thinking about how it can potentially be an issue...you never know what people are crazy enough to run 

Edited September 27 by Scootter

[DoubleJ]

Just now, Scootter said:

Yea 4mss is real but i just like to start thinking about how it can potentially be an issue...you never know what people are crazy enough to run 

Diversity is the beauty of competitive play. If everything was standard, you'd never experience talent outside of the occasional "wow, great switch!" It's a huge sacrifice to use Leech Life as there are very few pokemon in UU that would take more from Leech over any of the other options. 

 

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Kabutops Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Shaymin: 148-175 (71.4 - 84.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

+2 252 Atk Life Orb Kabutops Leech Life vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Shaymin: 159-187 (76.8 - 90.3%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

[RysPicz]

I legit wanna start playing UU now

[DoubleJ]

3 minutes ago, RysPicz said:

I legit wanna start playing UU now

I saw you were taking a break and said nope, not today. 

[Scootter]

8 minutes ago, DoubleJ said:

Diversity is the beauty of competitive play.

I agree, but I think it's important to point it out and keep an eye on (which you guys said you would in the future) when it has a few answers on paper

[RysPicz]

Just now, DoubleJ said:

I saw you were taking a break and said nope, not today. 

God of War Ragnarok can wait

[Makarovs]

Ok, this legit got me hyped. Thank you TC for trying to fix our former best tier.

[Necroze]

1 hour ago, DoubleJ said:

The Tier Council (TC) apologizes for any confusion amid all of the threads, discussion, and now usage movement announcement. We wanted to post an update here for clarification on what is and will be happening in the UU tier. 

 

First, the TC has voted and have unanimously agreed to release all current borderline Pokemon that are below the OU usage cut-off into UU. This includes Staraptor, Haxorus, Porygon2, and Lucario. Per protocol, these all meet the definition of a "suspect test" and will have threads opened. It may take a while for our team to draft and release these, but they will be coming. We will also take close consideration of whether any of these are deserving of a Quick Ban after even just a few days of usage. We are unsure when this change will be added in-game although we anticipate soon. 

 

Releasing usage movements is standard practice and as always, the Tier Council evaluates movements for anything that might warrant a Quick Ban. This process will continue to take place and we will be voting on Togekiss and Kabutops before any in-game changes take place as our next step of action. Given the context above, there is a higher likelihood that both will be released and they will be considered for the "Standard Ban" process. 

 

Regarding currently open threads for Salamence, Blissey, and Entei, these are all simply discussion threads for a possible "Standard Ban." They do not fall under the suspect test policy and thus will remain open. We will vote when all members of the TC feel ready to make a decision. 

 

We are also discussing the new "Stability Policy" as shared in the Updates discussion thread. Bronzong would be under close consideration to block from moving up to OU should this policy be approved and enacted upon. As Munya has shared, it is incredibly difficult for devs and staff to reliably incorporate community input in a manner that is not vulnerable to manipulation. While we the TC do recommend some form of community input support, it is out of our hands. 

YAY

[bobliu]

It's exciting to see the whole uu tier is getting a big change. 

Thank u TC for all the effort u make

[Munya]

Updated OP with the currently decided on actions.

Both Togekiss and Kabutops are currently having a vote going on, as well as Bronzong movement veto under the current proposed changes(details on it are still being ironed out and up for discussion here if you have any suggestions:

 

[Tawla]

Why dont you try to bring back durant/roserade/nidoqueen to NU since we got a lot of changes ? 

We need to test them again to see what it gives 

[LiveLaughHate]

Why have bans at all? Release moody, arena trap, sd chomp and draco hydrei while we're at it.

[Munya]

3 hours ago, Tawla said:

Why dont you try to bring back durant/roserade/nidoqueen to NU since we got a lot of changes ? 

We need to test them again to see what it gives 

Roserade was voted a long time ago to be tested again but UU by usage.

[Munya]

Togekiss quickban vote failed to pass, Kabutops is still ongoing.

Bronzong will be held in UU under new policy, the exact details of that policy are still being worked on but its sitting just .17% over the cutoff at the time of the movements and there's probably not a world where that isn't close enough that it couldn't be held in a lower tier.

[Sargeste]

1 hour ago, Munya said:

Roserade was voted a long time ago to be tested again but UU by usage.

How about the other 3 mons that would drop this month if bans were reversed (Nidoqueen, Venomoth, Yanmega)? If we're going to make UU unhinged, might as well do it to NU too.

[gbwead]

1 minute ago, Sargeste said:

How about the other 3 mons that would drop this month if bans were reversed (Nidoqueen, Venomoth, Yanmega)? If we're going to make UU unhinged, might as well do it to NU too.

UU is about to get destabilised and that will have an impact on NU rather shortly. I don't think it's worth to destabilize NU just to destabilize it again once people adapt to the new UU meta. I think it's a conversation worth having for the next season.

[Tawla]

2 hours ago, Munya said:

Togekiss quickban vote failed to pass, Kabutops is still ongoing.

Bronzong will be held in UU under new policy, the exact details of that policy are still being worked on but its sitting just .17% over the cutoff at the time of the movements and there's probably not a world where that isn't close enough that it couldn't be held in a lower tier.

Durant isnt a problem tbh , moltres could be good scarf to rk or to wall ot , if it got stone edge then steelix wall it , if superpower moltres is safe , also special steelix ohko it with earth power, and a lot of mons could rk , rotom also counter of his stab , it deserve a test tbh

[Tawla]

1 hour ago, gbwead said:

UU is about to get destabilised and that will have an impact on NU rather shortly. I don't think it's worth to destabilize NU just to destabilize it again once people adapt to the new UU meta. I think it's a conversation worth having for the next season.

NU is already a garbage tier it all depend on matchup , better bring something new on the tier to see what it can bring

[pachima]

41 minutes ago, Tawla said:

NU is already a garbage tier it all depend on matchup , better bring something new on the tier to see what it can bring

NU is by far the better tier currently in MMO. There is no comparison at all. OU is centralized between the same most recent cores (Gliscor- Suicune - Zapdos). UU is a big pile of trash. NU is actually very playable right now (And ofc they will manage to ruin it too because we can't have nice tiers )

[Tawla]

2 minutes ago, pachima said:

NU is by far the better tier currently in MMO. There is no comparison at all. OU is centralized between the same most recent cores (Gliscor- Suicune - Zapdos). UU is a big pile of trash. NU is actually very playable right now (And ofc they will manage to ruin it too because we can't have nice tiers )

NU matches always depend on matchup , if u dont have matchup u cant win nd  u can put ur skills away because its impossible, also as i suggested before in tours we should get back the old method of matches , u can see vs u gonna play to avoid complicated mtchups , also in case u encounter stall

[pachima]

1 minute ago, Tawla said:

NU matches always depend on matchup , if u dont have matchup u cant win nd  u can put ur skills away because its impossible, also as i suggested before in tours we should get back the old method of matches , u can see vs u gonna play to avoid complicated mtchups , also in case u encounter stall

This is quite literally skill issue. NU doesn't have big enough threats to completely decimate opposition on a bad matchup unlike OU and UU, in where it is physicaly impossible to prepare for most teams because half the tier plays rock-paper-scissors with the other half. 

[TohnR]

On 9/27/2024 at 4:41 PM, gbwead said:

All the people in this thread complaining about these 2 moving down shown a serious lack of perspective, don't understand tiering at all

I feel like if anything, you're the one showing that you have no idea what tiering is.

You arguments are all void. Where do you explain to us how any of the BLs will solve anything ?
You said the tier is shit, you seem to imply that chaos would still be a better situation that the current metagame, and that people who think otherwise are clueless.
I call all of that subjective bullshit, at best 🙂 

 

It's the exact same scenario as when you were advocating for keeping 100 Attack AT Dugtrio in NU because it wasn't (yet) banned in other tiers.
If we listenned to guys like you people would have had to suffer with that Uber broken thing for over a year more.

 

7 hours ago, LiveLaughHate said:

Why have bans at all? Release moody, arena trap, sd chomp and draco hydrei while we're at it.

Exactly the vibe that I get from these people. Why would we use reasoning when we only live once I guess ... 😄 

 

Edited September 28 by TohnR

[gbwead]

56 minutes ago, TohnR said:

It's the exact same scenario as when you were advocating for keeping 100 Attack AT Dugtrio in NU because it wasn't (yet) banned in other tiers.
If we listenned to guys like you people would have had to suffer with that Uber broken thing for over a year more.

Dugtrio was never NU with 100 base stat attack. I never argued that 100 Attack Dugtrio should be NU as well. 

I agree that you should not listen to the voices in your head, they clearly alter your perception of reality.

 

1 hour ago, TohnR said:

I feel like if anything, you're the one showing that you have no idea what tiering is.

You arguments are all void. Where do you explain to us how any of the BLs will solve anything ?
You said the tier is shit, you seem to imply that chaos would still be a better situation that the current metagame, and that people who think otherwise are clueless.
I call all of that subjective bullshit, at best 🙂 

Keep crying.

[LeJovi]

Great decision. It might become a fun tier to play again. 

[DoubleJ]

36 minutes ago, LeJovi said:

Great decision. It might become a fun tier to play again. 

Haxorus still ain't going to get usage. Poor thing gonna be BL2 after a month.